Tuesday, November 22, 2005

The REAL reasons why we went to war and mainstream Democrats as collaborators in the making of the IRAQ quagmire!

We all know that the man of God can't stop lying! – The Texan Nero keeps justifying his invasion of Iraq by saying that Congress, namely the Democrats had the same intelligence on Sadam as he did!

As SMOE points out:
Cheney says war critics 'dishonest, reprehensible' This administration refuses to take responsibility for any mistakes they have made. They either claim their decision to go to war was right, or when the American public decides that their decision was wrong, they try to shift the argument by claiming that their opponents would have done the same thing. History will judge this Administration as greedy, incompetent, dishonest, arrogant and ignorant. In fact the forces that put them in office all have at least two of the above five characteristics

It should be obvious to anyone that understands how our government works that; the secret information that a president gets is nowhere near the same information that congress gets. Congress doesn't have a national security adviser nor get daily briefing from the CIA and FBI. Congress’s information comes from the administration itself. We know that BUSH is a liar but one should ask why couldn't John Kerry and the rest of the Democrats bring this issue during the 2004 campaign? It would have been pretty easy for John Kerry to say “Mr. President, since you are The president and have more access to intelligences than I do, I believed you when you said Iraq was an emanate threat” I as well as the rest of the country was lied to and this is why I voted to send our troops there? Now that I know your information was wrong, I wouldn't have voted to send our troops to Iraq” Now Kerry is not a stupid guy, and he could have easily used this to his advantage. Why didn't Kerry, Hillary, Edward's or other Democrats who voted for this war, did not bring up the Iraq intelligence gap between the administration and themselves earlier during the election? Why didn't the US media question the logic of this war?

I think it has a lot do with the very potent Israeli lobby as well as friends of Israel who are very powerful within the media, the Democratic party and in fact the whole country. To go against this powerful force is to be guaranteed defeat. Just look at what happened to the only man who was running for president that had the courage and guts to articulate “The greatest foreign policy mistake in the history of this country” as some Democrats are saying now. Remember what the mainstream media (every commentator in CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, print media, etc…). Did to Howard Dean during the 2004 Campaign! Never mind his message, mainstream Democrats and the media labeled Dean as “unelectable”, a nut case, a crazy screaming man not fit to be President! . The powerful Israeli lobby owns the mainstream media and bribes the mainstream Democrats with what every politician love most, elect ability and money. If anyone goes against the most powerful foreign lobby in the history of any country and their territorial ambitions in the Middle East, the name Hitler will come up, you will be labeled as “anti-Semitic! “ or be linked to the Jihadists that are bent on the total destruction of our civilization! The media and money prostitute politicians will shut you out of any meaningful debate on this matter!

Just ask yourself, if most media companies, reporters, or so called American Middle Eastern Experts were Moslem, would we send our young to die, just to keep the territorial ambitions of Israel alive? Not to mention the economic ambitions of big Oil? Of course not! In fact it is the not the responsibility of these lobbyists or their friends to advocate against their position! These lobbyists are not stupid! They are just doing too good of a job in getting what they want! It is the fools who believe that the territorial ambitions of Israel are good for America! Advocating conflict and occupying people has always been the sure way to increase terrorism. But as Israeli territorial ambitions prove, terrorism is a sure way to continue occupation and increase your territorial gains. You use brutal methods to cause one to be a terrorist, and then justify occupation and territorial gains by saying we have to defeat terrorists! It isn't this what Bush and his gang of Neocons are saying? Let us fight them there so we don't fight them here!

No, my friends, our leaders on both sides of the political aisle, believe that what is good for the territorial ambitions of Israel is good for America, or what is good for GM or big Oil is good for America, pity the dissenters like Howard Dean who counter this argument! These powerful forces will make sure that their message will never resonate in any debate. This war is and always will be about the territorial ambitions of Israel, and the economical ambitions of big oil or big auto. BushCO should not alone bare responsibility of this fiasco; lack of courage with the leadership of the Democratic Party should also be blamed for this mess!

The Beachboy


Anonymous Anonymous said...




Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:37:00 PM  
Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said...

It is amazing how the left leaning media feels the constant need to lie and distort the truth. The story you linked to has the lie in bold at the heading and proof of the lie below.

The heading states:
Cheney calls war critics 'dishonest, reprehensible'

In the story below:
'Vice President Dick Cheney said on Wednesday that accusations the Bush administration manipulated intelligence to justify the war were a "dishonest and reprehensible" political ploy.'

The author John Whitesides should be fired for this irresponsible misquote. If one cannot tell the difference between somebody claiming we should not have gone to war or that the war has gone badly (a war critic) and somebody who claims the administration manipulated intelligence; that person has no place anywhere in the media.

If a reporter has to lie to the American people, is entire message is in question.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:50:00 AM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

Welcome back! I noticed that you haven't been around stirring the pot at this and Ostroy. I figured that with the torrent of bad news your Fuhrer and his admin has been getting as of late you were in a depressed state watching the FOX NEWS CHANNEL (a noted left wing media outlet) looking for direction or the next GOP talking point.

I agree that anyone in the media that lies should be fired..ie read Bob Woodward, but also how about the Govt? If that were the case that would leave your beloved Bushco out in the street and as well as the lying and corrupt GOP congress members currently under indictment unemployed. This administration is built on lies and Tear down and Smear Rovian Tactics. Unfortunately now the slack jaws are seeing that their GODLY leader ain’t such a great guy after all.

So that is the best that you can do about refuting the post is go after a quote from Cheney a documented liar and draft dodger? Give it time, the facts will come out that this administration took us to war under false pretense. But then again does it really matter, as the majority of Americans already believe they did. That includes some of the ones that were brain dead enough to put them back into office in 04. You clowns are gonna pay in ’06 for what you have done to the country.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Beachboy said...

Hey Spinachboy!
Guess you still believe that the pre-war intelligence was NOT cooked up http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112305Z.shtml
Guess we are all lying and your Idiot Fuhrer was always right! – Ok we believe him; the media is making all this stuff up! – What about your Fuhrer trying to bomb Al Jazeera http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/11/23/news/channel.php is it also a lie! – So who is a terrorist now? – I suppose you agree with bombing of a newspaper that is goes against your Fuhrer’s wishes? – When you go on waving your flag and trying to convince others about your moral superiority! Take a look at your own cesspool of ideas! Note that you and your beloved leader are morally bankrupt! And now one will follow!

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:55:00 AM  
Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said...

Are you two actually split personalities, twins or what? Your ideas and writing styles are so identical its creepy.

You guys (or guy if you are actually the same person) still cannot tell the difference between a claimed lie and a proven lie. So far there have only been claimed lies and no proven lies.

So you have missed me, huh? Sorry I have been working late hours and have not been able to blog as much, so I have devoted most of my time to my blog and even then I don't put in as much time as I would like.

I really worry about you folks on the left after the '06 elections. I don't think you will be able to deal with losing or keeping the status quo. At best you will gain one seat in the senate and 5 seats in the house. Hardly what you are predicting. Better set up counseling sessions now, as your shrinks may be fully booked by then.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

Were two different guys with differing opinions on a lot of things but both agree that Bush and the GOP are ruining the country.

Where have you been pal?? All you need do is turn on something besides the Fox News channel and you can hear Cheney's lies being shown on tape for all to see.

Either way all the reasons for this war have proved to be false. Also, the country is still waiting for those millions of jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to produce. Were those just lies or more screw ups in a long line of screw ups from this Administration?

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said...

Where have you been pal?? All you need do is turn on something besides the Fox News channel and you can hear Cheney's lies being shown on tape for all to see.

I did not think you could point any out, much less prove it. It takes more than just saying something in order for it to be so. Even when the media says it again and again and again it still does not make it so. All the media does is throw around truth like a soccer ball. This guy says this. That guy alludes to that. Another person claims another thing. No proof, no documentation and lots and lots of spin. They do it over and over again and next thing you know, liberals like you think it is the truth.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

Documented and verified proof on tape ie MEET THE PRESS that Cheney stated direct links between Al queda and Iraq as well as claiming that Saddam had restarted his weapons program etc. Both verified lies.

Here are some more lies from your Fuhrer:

Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."
- Bush in January 2003 State of the Union address.

"Iraq has also provided Al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training."
- Bush in February 2003.

Is Bush lying or just stupid?

Pull your head out of the sand. But in the end you'll be one of those that still support your fuhrer Bush when the truth is out and his poll numbers are in the single digits.

So why aren't you in Iraq Chickenhawk?

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:13:00 PM  
Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said...

Smoe, must you even be deceitful here? Knowing in 2 minutes I could compare your quote to the full quote from the State of the Union address, you still chose to attempt a deception. I really feel sorry for you guys. You just can't win with the truth. You have to lie and cheat to get the most marginal victory.

Here is the full quote which is one sentence:

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."

So what access to the intelligence sources do you have to disprove that such a claim was made during intelligence gathering. You folks lie so much you don't know the difference between truth and a lie.

Still can't support your arguments without name calling I see. Psst. It is a sign of weakness.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:28:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."

So was this true? No! IT was a Lie.

Just like all of the following:

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
- Dick Cheney, speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
- George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agent…. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
- George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
- George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003

Face it Iraq is a war based on lies.

So why aren't you over in Iraq if you support it?

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:54:00 PM  
Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said...

Good job. No name calling. Your writing is so much better without it.

Look as far as WMD goes, we still don't know what the facts are. We do know at one time Saddam had them and we do know that there is not a full record of their destruction. We don't know what happened to them. They may have been destroyed, but Saddam did not want to tell us that and there was no intelligence to support it. They may have been transported to Syria before the war began. The bottom line is we the public do not know.

To take the best intelligence available that may have turned out to be wrong and stretch that into a purposeful lie does not hold water.

If there were no WMD and there were no WMD that went to Syria, then intelligence was wrong. Of course logically if intelligence is shown to be wrong then, intelligence can be wrong now about not knowing that they went to Syria. In any case, there is a huge leap between lies and faulty intelligence.

But you will leap to the lie theory, because of your bias. That is your right.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:45:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

"Look as far as WMD goes, we still don't know what the facts are. We do know at one time Saddam had them and we do know that there is not a full record of their destruction. We don't know what happened to them. They may have been destroyed, but Saddam did not want to tell us that and there was no intelligence to support it. They may have been transported to Syria before the war began. The bottom line is we the public do not know."

We know this: The WMDs that the Bush admin. swore were there were not. PERIOD

"To take the best intelligence available that may have turned out to be wrong and stretch that into a purposeful lie does not hold water."

Then if this is true then why haven't the people that pushed this slop been fired or held accountable??

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read this http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112305J.shtml
65% of our citizens think your Fuhrer lied to us about Iraq, 98% of the rest of world think so as well! - You believe what you want to believe! You are truly an American Teleban! And Moula Omar, I mean GW is your spiritual guide for your miserable confused life!

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:58:00 PM  
Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said...

"Then if this is true then why haven't the people that pushed this slop been fired or held accountable??"

Good question. I think Bush realizes that an all out war with the CIA is not in the best interests of the country. As bad as the intelligence may have been, no intelligence in war time can be very dangerous (ask Robert E. Lee when he did not have Jeb Stuart for the early part of the battle of Gettysburg).

I think nominating Porter Goss to head the CIA was supposed to put in play a gradual "house cleaning" without upsetting the apple cart too much. Obviously Goss can't report publically on the status of this task, but with the CIA taking periodic aim at Bush, one can imagine he is shaking things up a little bit.

Also, as we have seen, the CIA has an advantage in that they seem to be able to leak information to the press and get a pass on it. So any kind of major shake up too quickly could result in leaks that cannot be rebutted because they are classified.

If you think public policy should be determined based on polling data, you are in sad shape. And like I said to Smoe, name calling does not make you look intelligent, but it is your right to look stupid.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Beachboy said...

I wish you were right and public policy was NOT shaped by polls, but honesty, truth and when policy mistakes are made admission of the mistakes. But as this war indicates, public policy was made rightly or wrongly because the president was popular at that time. Despite what Bush says, when his poll numbers keep going south, and his GOP followers fear that they may loose congress next year he will cut and run! – You watch!

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:53:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

SPinachBoy...show your support for the NOBLE IRAQ CAUSE and sign up now!!! Otherwise your nothing,but a two bit tough talking FIVE DEFERMENT ChickenHawk like Dick "THE POMPUS LYING ASS" Cheney

Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:07:00 AM  
Blogger Suzie Housecoat said...

All_I_Can_Stands . . .

Don't waste your time with these guys. Case in point: your posting on 11/23 responded directly to Joe's query about firings and accountability with an opinion on the political situation with the CIA.

Then Joe comes back with his same tired, name-calling rant about signing-up for the "noble cause." Believe me - he's used the exact same lines on me going back to this blog's beginnings. He and Beach Boy should be left alone to enjoy their mutual slide into madness. I had fun pushing them along for a while, but then it got too ugly to watch. Trying to engage these clowns is the intellectual equivalent of rolling bums or teasing the mentally ill - one-sided, frustrating and unfulfilling.
Do yourself a favor and find a blog where people are actually interested in persuation and discourse.

Monday, November 28, 2005 4:45:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

Welcome back chicken hawk!!! Good to see you finally had the intestinal fortitude to comeback.

So you finally got tired of the mutual masturbation at Redstate.org and decided to come back and stir the pot here. Nothing but bad news for you GOP these days. Iraq is a cluster that even the American people don't want any more and the corrupt GOP is being indicted one after another. Pretty dark days for those that embrace the NEO CON ILLUSSION. How did you like those elections in VA and Jersey?
Like I said the GOPs day in the sun is over. Look what’s happen to Tony Blair…just as I predicted…remember??

I feel that ANYONE that supported Iraq should be asked what is his or her justification for not serving in Bush’s war cause you clowns had no problem in waving the flag and cheering it on don’t you agree??? But, then again why bother in no time Bush will declare victory and cut and run anyway.

As your Fuhrer says BRING IT ON!!!!

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe has got a point. I go to a large eastern university and at the outset of Bush's run up to his war The young Republicans were out in the streets cheering it on. But now you hear very little from them, but they are still here on campus spouting the Limbaugh Line. I never supported this war or Bush and I will be damned if I will sign up for his NeoCon Debacle it has become. Especially when his slutty daughters remain over here drunk and stoned living off mommy and Daddy like all the rest of the Young Republicans here.

Like Joe Said: if you wanted this war why aren't you over there fighting it?


Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:15:00 AM  
Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said...

yeah Suzie feel free to post here. I went to REDSTATE.ORG and mysteriously couldn't post anything. You Republicans are all the same when the debate starts to go against you as the REAL facts start to come in you all go GUTLESS and don't want to hear anything that goes against your misguided and factless party line..typical

Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:33:00 AM  

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